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for many you claim alien abductions it's

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a lonely road in trying to understand

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what has happened

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your loved ones your friends and those

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around you may not even believe you

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throughout my years of research and

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interviewing many claimed abductees or

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experiencers it's often most difficult

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when it comes to a significant other

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supporting their partner's incredible

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claims in fact many times it can make or

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break a relationship

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but what happens when it's more than one

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claimed deduction

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and what happens when your significant

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other was there when more than one of

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these experiences occurred

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these are the abductions

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of denise stoner i look over at ed

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and he's frozen to the steering wheel i

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can't get his attention whatsoever

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he's just frozen

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they are bringing me away and up

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up into the craft

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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it was august 13th 1982

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colorado denise stoner along with her

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husband ed and their teenage daughter

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were on their way to a vacation retreat

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at the grace acre ranch just outside of

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denver

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they had arranged to meet stoner's

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parents as well as family friends at the

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retreat

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with all of them going ahead of the

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stoners

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they expected to arrive there around 8

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30 p.m

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but denise her husband ed and their

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daughter would ultimately arrive much

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later than that

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they had left denver at around 5 pm and

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immediately took to the back roads in

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order to escape the rush hour traffic

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by 6 30 they had arrived at kenosha pass

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which not only gave ed a chance to pull

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over and stretch his legs but also

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offered fantastic views of the south

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park valley below

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it was after ed restarted the car and

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set off down kenosha pass that the

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evening took a drastic turn

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while stoner and ed chatted as they

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drove toward jefferson their daughter

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slept in the backseat

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it was as they passed through jefferson

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that stoner noticed two yellow white

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lights in the sky

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they appeared to be heading in their

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eventually the lights were directly over

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the top of the car

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then without warning the car suddenly

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moved sideways off the road and into the

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desert surroundings

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stoner would recall

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it was as if the car was being dragged

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by some kind of invisible rope we could

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do nothing at all to resist the pull

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all the while the lights remain directly

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the next thing the family remembered was

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being out of the valley entirely driving

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toward trout creek pass

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it felt like only seconds had passed

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since we were pulled off the road

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but it was no longer daylight it was

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dark out and now almost 11 p.m

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ed quickly calculated that they had

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covered almost 40 miles with no memory

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of what had happened

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and they had lost almost four hours

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even stranger despite them being 40

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miles from their previous location when

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the lights had arrived the car's

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odometer had not registered those miles

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it was as if we'd been picked up and

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placed 40 miles down the road and set

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the stoners couldn't help an unsettling

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feeling running through them as they

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late and with no idea why

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by the time they arrived at their

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destination it was only 15 minutes

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before midnight stoner's parents and the

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family friends were at the roadside of

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the retreat a mixture of anxiety and

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relief on their faces

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they would tell them that they were

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contemplating calling the police and

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filing a missing person's report we

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decided we had no other option but to

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tell our worried family exactly what had

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although they initially thought this

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could have been some sort of elaborate

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prank the rest of the family and family

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friends realized that whatever had

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happened it had truly terrified and

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mystified the stoners

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following the weekend away the stoners

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i contemplated that night in my mind for

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coming to no conclusions as to what

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happened during that missing time with

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it wouldn't be until almost three

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decades later until stoner spoke of that

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night again

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she would meet a woman by the name of

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kathleen martin who would ultimately

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change denise's life forever

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kathleen martin had earned a degree in

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social work from the university of new

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hampshire she also participated in

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graduate studies in education while

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working as a teacher and education

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services coordinator

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she also spent time volunteering at the

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new hampshire state psychiatric hospital

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martin was a dedicated individual

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a lifelong learner even while she passed

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on her knowledge to others

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she would spend the next 15 years in the

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education system

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and while her work as an educator always

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shown bright and she was well known for

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martin was also known for something else

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she was the niece of betty hill the wife

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of barney hill

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this married couple would arguably not

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only be some of the first individuals to

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have claimed to have had a close

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encounter with a ufo but also to have

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been abducted by the supposed non-human

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pilots of the ufo

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here is martin summarizing the initial

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close encounter of her aunt and uncle

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that harrowing night in 1961.

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betty had a vacation from her job as a

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social worker for the state of new

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hampshire barney worked for the post

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office neither believed in

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ufo reality

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at that time they had never read a book

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on the topic they took a brief vacation

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to niagara falls onto

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toronto onto montreal and they were

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when they had

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a close encounter with the ufo it came

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so close that it was within a hundred

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feet estimated by them of their location

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barney got out of the car with

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his binoculars he looked up at it and

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according to the air force report

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and the report that they made to the

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national investigations committee on

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very shortly thereafter they observed a

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craft that was approximately a hundred

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feet above them it was extremely large

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they told the air force that it was as

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large as a dinner plate at arm's length

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this was very close to them it was

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observed by

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at least a dozen additional people it

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was on radar on the air force's two

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radar stations

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and a follow-up study by the air force

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stated that this was a bona fide

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sighting

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eventually it would be revealed that

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both betty and barney hill believed that

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they had suffered missing time during

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this event and that they had been

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kidnapped by something non-human that

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night

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naturally the story of this interracial

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couple in the 60s drew a lot of

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attention when it was leaked to the

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public and it became one of the most

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well documented investigated and most

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famous alien abduction cases in ufo

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history

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martin having been a witness to the

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aftermath of the events as a child with

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her aunt and uncle stood by their

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testimony she would eventually become

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the foremost investigator on the

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incident

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and one of the leading researchers on

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the alien abduction phenomenon in

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general even up until today martin and

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her husband had relocated from new

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hampshire to florida in 2009

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soon after martin began attending

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meetings for the local chapter of a

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civilian run organization known as mufon

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the mutual ufo network

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there she met state section director and

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chief investigator denise stoner

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apparently the experience or experiences

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of stoner had made a huge impact on her

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life

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even without having any answers

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it was through mufon that she would

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attempt to find those answers

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with the help of martin i asked kathleen

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martin if she would be willing to look

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into my case and perhaps find some

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answers to fill in the gaps of missing

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time my family and i had experienced

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stoner and martin begin a working

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relationship from that moment on martin

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agreed to investigate stoner's incident

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which would ultimately involve hypnotic

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regression of stoner in order to attempt

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to unlock some of the memories that may

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have been pushed into the deepest

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corners of stoner's mind

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the first session would take place on

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july 7th of 2011.

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martin would take stoner back to the

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night of august 13th 1982 when she and

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her family were driving down that

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darkened road in colorado

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she would soon recall the strange lights

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she had noticed in the sky coming toward

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under hypnosis stoner stated there were

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three big lights off in the valley

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they're coming down to the valley ground

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they don't look right

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there are no roads out there

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when martin asked owner to describe the

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lights further she responded they are

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they're rotating slowly

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they're attached to another object

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two plates surrounding the light

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the lights were directly over the top of

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their vehicle

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at this point the car began to move

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stoner instinctively looked into the

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back seat to see if her daughter was

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awake for the sudden movement but she

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i'm now outside of the car

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the lights are separating from the

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plates and are coming down to the ground

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i can sense someone else there

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but i couldn't see them

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all i know is i'm supposed to go into

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the center of the lights

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then an already bizarre and unnerving

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situation took another drastic turn

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there's this glob of lighted jelly

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it's twice the size of my head

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it's floating toward me

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the plates are a craft of some sort

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it's lowering to the ground

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now there's this black obsidian colored

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opening this

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this craft

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it's shaped like an hourglass

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i know i'm supposed to step into this

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opening

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but i'm afraid

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but i do

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i step into it

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as soon as i do i'm sucked into it

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and i'm in it

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i'm inside the craft

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stoner then recalled that the jelly-like

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substance was now completely gone and

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that she was in a room surrounded by

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slick silver walls

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the lighting inside the room was dim and

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she couldn't see where it came from as

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she looked around the room she was

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startled when she noticed several

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figures in the room

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as she moved toward them she realized

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that whatever they were

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they were not human

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they're gray

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small

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they have huge black misty eyes

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they have no clothes on

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they're in a perfect line

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shoulder to shoulder staring straight

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ahead and not moving

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something tells me they are soldiers of

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some kind

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as she looked on at these beings another

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figure soon came from around a corner of

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a curve in the room and was heading

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toward her

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it bent down to her level it's much

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taller than the others

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its eyes are blinking vertically

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it puts its face close to mine and it

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blinks but its eyelids blink vertically

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the eyes are yellow

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tall and narrow more to the side of its

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head than in front

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it has no nose and a tiny red mouth

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it is three long fingers and one thumb

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its body is oddly jointed and extremely

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thin

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around its fragile frame it wore a dark

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jacket that reached down to its legs it

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is a stand-up collar like a priest wears

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its mouth doesn't move but it's speaking

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to me

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not verbally

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it's in my mind

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talking to me inside my head somehow

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we have to go in

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but i don't want to

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i want to go back to my car

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it tells me you can't go back until i do

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what i have to do

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it was at this point in stoner's session

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that she became very anxious and scared

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and martin opted to end the session

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the next hypnotic regression would take

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place several months later on october 26

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2011.

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however before it would take place

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stoner informed martin of several

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details she had managed to recall

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consciously since their last meeting

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for example she would claim that despite

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how terrifying the taller being was to

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her

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she could sense it was highly

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intelligent

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she had further recalled that when the

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car moved sideways it was in fact lifted

377
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,240
several feet from the ground

378
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she also recalled passing by a nearby

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ranch when they went

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she couldn't recall how or why she got

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out of the vehicle but she was certain

382
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that her husband and daughter all

383
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,600
remained inside however it was when

384
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:27,519
martin took stoner back to where they

385
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had left off in their last session where

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some of the most remarkable

387
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:35,360
recollections allegedly came to light

388
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i'm following this being into the room

389
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as instructed

390
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,720
in this room there are several other

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00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,040
beings identical to this one

392
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:44,880
it's saying something to me again in my

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00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:46,000
head

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it wants me to get on the table in the

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middle of the room

396
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they have to perform a test on me

397
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i'm reluctant but i do it

398
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what happened next was invasive and

399
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,160
highly traumatic

400
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,800
the being lifted the cuff off the jeans

401
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,199
on stoner's right ankle

402
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:07,600
the next thing she recalled was feeling

403
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:10,799
a sting in her foot like a long needle

404
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,760
or wire had been directly inserted into

405
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,039
her leg

406
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,360
and into her vein

407
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:19,039
the being tells me that the wire will

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00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,679
remain in place for a period of time and

409
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,360
that it will be there so the ones on

410
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,000
earth will be able to recognize me

411
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,799
following this a strange instrument

412
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:30,720
appeared from behind the being and the

413
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,120
being then used it to place something

414
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:36,000
inside of stoners tear duct

415
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,080
it's like a little white bead

416
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,000
it's being put into my eye by some sort

417
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,760
of metal pinchers with a point at the

418
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,120
end

419
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,960
the being is telling me it will fall out

420
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:46,480
in a few days

421
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,960
the being then took a diamond-shaped

422
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:50,880
instrument and pushed it down on

423
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,720
stoner's abdomen

424
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,039
according to stoner when the instrument

425
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,160
passed over where her ovaries were it

426
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,200
caused a burning sensation

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00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:03,440
i ask what the purpose of this test is

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00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,799
for

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00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,400
and the being tells me that it is not

430
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,160
for me to know

431
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:10,640
and that i'm part of the whole

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00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:13,840
stoner would also recall a strange 3d

433
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,400
holographic type of technology that

434
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,280
displayed pictures of earth and other

435
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,360
far-off planets

436
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:23,679
the being would also make her aware that

437
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:27,120
they had visited her many times before

438
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,600
of which she had absolutely no memory of

439
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:34,240
martin ended this session and picked up

440
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,480
again on november 4th 2011.

441
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,960
during this session martin managed to

442
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:43,840
extract some intricate descriptions of

443
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,280
the craft itself by stoner i'm in a room

444
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,280
with its own atmosphere

445
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,440
it feels like it wants to spin but it's

446
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,600
not the room is almost in complete

447
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:55,600
blackness apart from a pole that goes

448
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,679
from the ceiling to the floor

449
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,280
there's a mechanical device wrapped

450
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,280
around the pole and two arms that come

451
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,400
out on each side this device it seems

452
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,600
alive

453
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,120
it's in motion

454
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,360
i think it's operating the craft

455
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:11,919
following this the being took stoner out

456
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:15,600
of the strange and disorienting room

457
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,559
as soon as she left the room she felt as

458
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,960
if she had just left something that was

459
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:22,880
pressurized

460
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,280
it was at this point that stoner blacked

461
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,440
out and found herself back in the

462
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,000
vehicle with her family

463
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,080
but this wasn't the only experience

464
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,120
donor had with missing time as martin

465
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,720
would soon learn

466
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,039
something happened to stoner and her

467
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:41,679
husband on the other side of the united

468
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,000
states almost a decade later

469
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,880
martin would once again put stoner under

470
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:50,640
to attempt to retrieve the memories of

471
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,600
an event that occurred on october 20

472
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,000
1991

473
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,320
on the day in question stoner and her

474
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,440
husband ed had spent the day diving in a

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00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:04,080
lake in florida and were traveling back

476
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,840
to their motel the steamboat dive in

477
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,159
it was a route that they had taken many

478
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,039
times before and should see them arrive

479
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,440
at their motel in a little over 15

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00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,640
minutes

481
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,880
after eating dinner the stoners called

482
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:20,960
it a night and went to bed looking

483
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,120
forward to another day of diving in the

484
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,799
morning

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00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,280
however the night would bring with it

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00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,760
another strange event

487
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,400
for reasons she couldn't explain in the

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00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,559
middle of the night stoner got out of

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00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,120
bed dressed and made her way to their

490
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,679
vehicle outside the motel

491
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,679
although she wasn't entirely sure where

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00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,080
she was going and struggled to later

493
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:46,480
recall exactly where she had been she

494
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,480
made her way to a very remote location

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00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:53,200
this is where the memory ended and where

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00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,880
the hypnosis session began

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stoner recalled heading away from the

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00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,480
motel and down a lonely dark road she

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00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,080
would eventually pull over at the

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roadside on a little dirt road in

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00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,640
between two trees

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00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,760
i can see an opening between the trees

503
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,440
there's a strange object there that i

504
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,360
can't quite make out

505
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:17,200
it looks almost like the top of a water

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00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,159
tower

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00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,480
but very low to the ground

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00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,480
she remained in the car

509
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,120
her attention drawn toward the two trees

510
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,039
in front of her

511
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,000
stoner slowly crept the car closer to

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this object to get a better look

513
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,520
the closer she got the more she realized

514
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:38,640
this was not a water tower or anything

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like that

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there was a ramp stretching out from the

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opening

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00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,799
and at the top of the ramp a tall figure

519
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:48,880
as stoner appeared upward at the tall

520
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,640
being two small grey figures emerged

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00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,799
from the opening and headed straight

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00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,480
towards her

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00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,559
with these they were able to remove

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stoner from her car taking her up the

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00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:03,760
ramp and into the opening

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00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,640
and once again she found herself in a

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00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,520
strange room although this time there

528
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,120
was no table

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00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,400
it was simply an empty room except for a

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00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,039
odd looking chair

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00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,880
i feel dazed

532
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,080
almost like a dreamy type feeling

533
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,039
the small beings place me in this chair

534
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,360
the tall being is approaching me

535
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,039
i notice that there is something that

536
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,600
resembles a staple gun almost

537
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,720
and it's attached to the chair

538
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,640
the tall being takes this

539
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,559
device or gun

540
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,240
and presses it against the side of my

541
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,760
head

542
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:43,840
it feels

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00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,120
with that the two grey figures took her

544
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,200
from the chair and proceeded to bring

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00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,440
her back to her car

546
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,559
then things became even stranger as she

547
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,640
recalled what she believed to have been

548
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,640
the craft

549
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,720
it's dark all around me except for this

550
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,440
gray diamond with rounded edges

551
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,760
bright red lights on those edges

552
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:10,159
whatever this is it's spinning

553
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,200
faster

554
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,640
it's taking off in the sky

555
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,320
it disappears

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00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,159
next thing i remember i'm on the side of

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00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,080
the road in the car

558
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,480
i don't remember the ride home all i

559
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,240
remember is returning to the motel and

560
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,679
climbing into the bed

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00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,840
but when i look at the pillowcase

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00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,240
there's blood on it

563
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,640
incidentally when this last detail is

564
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,080
brought up to martin during the

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00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,880
regression she did indeed examine the

566
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:39,120
sight of stoner's head into her

567
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,880
amazement and dismay there was in fact a

568
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,679
small staple-like scar where stoner

569
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,720
recalled the figure placing the device

570
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,520
and as it would soon turn out stoner

571
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,279
wouldn't be the only one with a bizarre

572
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,720
story being pieced together in her mind

573
00:24:03,990 --> 00:23:58,960
these next memories would also involve

574
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,470
you like stories of the strange the

575
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,640
weird and the unexplained then we want

576
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,520
you to check out jim harold's campfire

577
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,240
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

578
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,039
to regular people about strange stuff

579
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,120
that happens to them and yes that

580
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:22,799
includes ufos along with cryptids ghosts

581
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,360
and head scratchers he doesn't

582
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,480
exaggerate or play a lot of spooky music

583
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,559
kind of like i'm doing right now the

584
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,440
stories speak for themselves one's like

585
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,240
a ghost story involving serial killer

586
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:38,880
ted bundy or the young man who

587
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,240
encountered an eight-legged demon then

588
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,720
there's the story of an alien abduction

589
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,440
by what could be considered a reptilian

590
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,320
now not all the stories are horrifying

591
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,720
some are actually pretty heartwarming

592
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,679
like a visit from a past loved one or a

593
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,000
peaceful near-death experience

594
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,799
regardless these are true and

595
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,840
fascinating stories told by ordinary

596
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,840
people who've had extraordinary

597
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,520
experiences

598
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:10,159
tune in to jim harold's campfire on

599
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,600
apple podcasts spotify or wherever you

600
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:16,080
listen to somewhere in the skies and

601
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:17,279
remember

602
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,390
the stoners had planned to spend their

603
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,480
final day diving and after getting out

604
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,640
of bed and eating breakfast at a nearby

605
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,640
diner they packed the equipment into the

606
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,760
car and set out on their destination

607
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,320
however as they approached a small farm

608
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,400
on the roadside things took an

609
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,120
unsettling turn

610
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,679
at the very back of the barn on the farm

611
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,080
stoner could see several oddly shaped

612
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,440
objects she quickly alerted egg to these

613
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,600
asking what he thought they were the

614
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,159
closer they got to the barn the objects

615
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,880
appeared distinctly triangular shaped

616
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,799
and also appeared to have some kind of

617
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,679
net like covering over them

618
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:02,240
ed responded that they were most likely

619
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,679
chicken coops

620
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,320
denise was not convinced and asked that

621
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,880
they go and take a closer look

622
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,039
before they could though everything

623
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,480
changed

624
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,799
suddenly instead of driving along the

625
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,279
quiet road near the farmhouse they found

626
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,000
themselves near the interstate highway

627
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,080
approaching lake city

628
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:23,840
it would later work out that they were

629
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,120
almost 30 miles from the farmhouse and

630
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,000
while half an hour had seemingly gone by

631
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,600
to them it appeared that they had

632
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,080
arrived there in what seemed like an

633
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,679
instant

634
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,440
they would turn their car around and

635
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,440
head back in the direction of their

636
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,600
original destination

637
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,000
they would eventually pass the barn and

638
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,720
much to their confusion the four strange

639
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:50,400
triangular objects were no longer there

640
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,600
both of them felt extremely unsettled

641
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,159
and each realized at least in the back

642
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,080
of their minds that whatever just

643
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:00,799
happened was an echo of what they'd

644
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,120
experienced in colorado in 1982

645
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,120
martin would also take statements from

646
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,760
ed to examine his version of these

647
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,880
events

648
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
he would state the following

649
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,039
we were driving along the quiet road

650
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,279
near the farm and barn when denise

651
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,039
pointed out several strange objects in

652
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,480
the field

653
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,720
i turned and saw these strange shiny

654
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,679
metal objects that came to a point

655
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,159
but within seconds of noticing them i

656
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,320
could suddenly see a sign for i-75

657
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,159
coming up in the distance

658
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,919
we run a completely different stretch of

659
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,039
road

660
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,200
i pulled over and tell denise

661
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,200
it just happened to us again

662
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,360
it feels exactly the same as that night

663
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,279
in colorado

664
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,440
martin asked ed if he'd agree to a

665
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,240
hypnosis session to which he did and the

666
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,000
alleged true events that happened in

667
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,559
that missing time slowly came to the

668
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:54,399
surface for ed

669
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,080
i see the shiny objects near the barn

670
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,919
and everything is becoming dark all

671
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,200
around us it feels it feels like we're

672
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,360
in some kind of vacuum

673
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,679
i turned to say something to denise and

674
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,640
i realized she's not there

675
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,880
she's not in the car with me

676
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,799
i look out into the darkness and there's

677
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,720
this door opening

678
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,080
i see this

679
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,919
tall figure

680
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,640
and it's carrying denise in its long

681
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,960
skinny arms

682
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,039
ed then recalled this being bringing

683
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,679
denise to the car and literally dropping

684
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,840
her into the passenger seat

685
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,080
before he could react the being returned

686
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,039
to the doorway which then closed placing

687
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,600
ed and denise in darkness

688
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,520
the next thing he knew he was on the

689
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,640
road approaching lake city martin would

690
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:47,200
perform one last regression with denise

691
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,720
stoner in relation to this 1992 event

692
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,640
she would pick up in the car just after

693
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,279
the two saw the object in the field i

694
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,640
look over at ed

695
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,120
and he's frozen to the steering wheel

696
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,600
i can't get his attention whatsoever

697
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,799
he's just

698
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,760
frozen

699
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,080
and i see the tall being and the grays

700
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,760
the small ones

701
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,760
i'm floating

702
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,679
like there's no gravity

703
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,559
they are bringing me away and up

704
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,640
up into the craft

705
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,120
another interesting detail was denise

706
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,520
stoner's response to martin asking what

707
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,520
had happened to the truck and where it

708
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,559
had gone

709
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,640
they're sending it away somewhere almost

710
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,200
like it's in a bubble that has no weight

711
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,200
like they are pushing it away

712
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,120
shortly after noticing that she could no

713
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,279
longer see the truck stoner saw the

714
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,440
triangular craft in front of her and

715
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,919
noted that she was being taken toward it

716
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,080
martin then asked if she knew why they

717
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,840
were taking her again

718
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,039
it has something to do with the thing in

719
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,279
my head the tall being is examining the

720
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,640
part of my head that he had placed the

721
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,320
staple gun-like device to the night

722
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,720
before as he talks to me in my mind

723
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,960
again it's telling me not to be afraid

724
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,120
and that i'll be taken back soon

725
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,679
the next thing she realized the car door

726
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,240
was shut and the beings were gone she

727
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,799
would claim it was almost like a bubble

728
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,840
popping

729
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,919
and then they were back on the road and

730
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,600
that's when they realized that they were

731
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,559
going in the complete opposite direction

732
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:14,720
and that something truly strange had

733
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,909
the work between martin and stoner

734
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,480
continued and as they dug deeper into

735
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,440
her memories it soon became clear at

736
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,760
least to them that these experiences

737
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,000
didn't begin in colorado

738
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,480
they began when stoner was a mere two

739
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,960
and a half years old and living in

740
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,200
hartford west virginia

741
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,360
on one particular evening stoner's

742
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,360
mother was in the hospital about to give

743
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,440
birth to stoner's sister and she was

744
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,080
being cared for by her grandfather i'm

745
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,159
looking out of a window at the house and

746
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,720
i see an egg-shaped object i asked my

747
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,559
grandfather why humpty dumpty was in the

748
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,600
sky

749
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,520
her grandfather suddenly had a look of

750
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,760
fear wash over him as he noticed the

751
00:31:02,310 --> 00:30:59,919
object she had pointed out

752
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,320
and at this point he seemingly changed

753
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,640
the subject and informed her that it was

754
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,399
her bedtime

755
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:08,960
however this was just the start of the

756
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,320
evening's strange and unsettling events

757
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,399
i'm lying in my room and that's when i

758
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,760
see it

759
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,440
there's this

760
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,799
thing

761
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,120
this being that appears

762
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,360
but it's not coming through a door

763
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,919
it's coming straight through the wall

764
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,000
this being was small

765
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,360
it was gray

766
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,760
it held a light of some sort in one hand

767
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,000
and extended the other hand for stoner

768
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,440
to take it

769
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,440
i feel no fear

770
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,120
i take its hand and start to follow it

771
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,000
out of my room and down the hallway

772
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,760
the being lifted the light it was

773
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,159
carrying and pointed it directly at a

774
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,480
wall in the hallway walked toward the

775
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,200
wall and disappeared the next thing i

776
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,720
know i'm inside a large dome-shaped room

777
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,159
and there's a lot of other children

778
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,440
around me

779
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,960
it appears as if these beings are

780
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,679
teaching something to the other children

781
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,200
what they're teaching

782
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,840
i have no idea

783
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,480
stoner's next memory is waking up in her

784
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,120
bed the next morning confused and

785
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,640
terrified

786
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,880
and this was only the beginning

787
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,720
as stoner would work with martin to

788
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,720
uncover many other experiences

789
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,440
throughout her life with these beings

790
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,080
and perhaps it wasn't just she and ed

791
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,480
that these events had allegedly happened

792
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,760
to

793
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,000
she recalled that her grandfather during

794
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,480
the initial experience at age two looked

795
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,279
as though he knew what was happening and

796
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,000
had some sort of scared yet familiar

797
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,559
sense of the craft outside the home

798
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,640
another event of interest was around the

799
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,039
same time when stoner was two years old

800
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,720
when she awoke one night to find that

801
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
her baby's sister was not in her crib

802
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,760
this would seemingly happen on several

803
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,760
occasions when her parents began

804
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,360
noticing that their daughter was missing

805
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,360
from her bed in the middle of the night

806
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,000
assuming she was escaping her crib and

807
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,799
wandering downstairs her father placed a

808
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,120
wooden fence of sorts around it using

809
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,640
plywood however stoner would recall that

810
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,039
she knew this wouldn't work as she had

811
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:13,679
witnessed the tall being reaching into

812
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,960
the crib and taking her sister with it

813
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,799
as her sister never seemed to come to

814
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,360
any harm as a result of this stoner

815
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,880
opted not to say anything to her parents

816
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,880
another unsettling incident occurred

817
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,039
several years later stoner would

818
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,960
suddenly realize that instead of being

819
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,519
in her bed at home she was in a nearby

820
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,640
park

821
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,039
when she looked around she saw the tall

822
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,760
being standing behind her

823
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,080
she noticed that it had a strange device

824
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,480
that appeared to be attached to its arm

825
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,200
it appeared similar to an oil can with a

826
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,279
tube at the end that dripped a strange

827
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,279
liquid toward the ground

828
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:53,840
stoner suddenly became scared and turned

829
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,039
to run but as she did so she believed

830
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,840
she saw the being's arm extending almost

831
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,760
reaching her shoulder

832
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,000
by the time she had run a short distance

833
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,720
to the corner of the park the figure was

834
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,240
in pursuit

835
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,639
even worse the arm with the tube reached

836
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,879
her ear and she felt a drop of the

837
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,040
liquid fall inside

838
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,760
as it did so a voice appeared in her

839
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,760
mind telling her that they would be able

840
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:22,000
to keep track of her now as she got

841
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,440
older

842
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,520
the next thing stoner realized she was

843
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,679
back in her bed once more and the early

844
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,399
morning sun was beginning to rise

845
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:32,159
although she couldn't explain what had

846
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,800
happened she knew that it wasn't a dream

847
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,879
martin would examine several more of

848
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,520
stoner's experiences in her book the

849
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,320
alien abduction files and would come to

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some intriguing conclusions

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she would perform a questionnaire study

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00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,839
of 50 people who claim that they had

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00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,960
similar experiences to denise stoner in

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many of the details fit well with

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00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,440
stoner's version of events

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for example many believe that they have

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been subject to abductions since

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childhood and that the abductions have

859
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,920
taken place regularly into adulthood

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similarly many abductees according to

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00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,880
martin's study had been abducted when in

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the company of others like a spouse for

863
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,920
example and while they were largely

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00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,320
unaware of what had taken place they

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would often sense that something out of

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the ordinary had occurred

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00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,839
again many other claimed abductees could

868
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,240
recall parts of the strange incidents

869
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:34,560
usually the beginning and would often

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recall further details in dreams

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00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:39,839
and most could recall the majority of

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the encounters with the use of hypnosis

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00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,480
even the details of the abductions can

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00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,200
be found across many similar cases

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00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,599
the fact that some kind of examination

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00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,040
had taken place

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00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,359
or that records of their examinations

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were maintained

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00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,440
and even that many of them are tracked

880
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,240
can all be found in many other abduction

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00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,599
cases

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00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,920
perhaps another intriguing detail is

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that many abductees including denise

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00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,119
stoner noted that electronic equipment

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00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,640
in their homes would suddenly

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00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,200
malfunction in the days following an

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00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,119
experience

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00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,079
in a similar detail abductees would also

889
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,119
note that strange paranormal activity

890
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,079
followed such encounters such as shadow

891
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,400
figures light orbs and strange noises

892
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,800
some even reported that items around the

893
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,680
house simply went missing

894
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,680
there have even been reports of sudden

895
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:39,680
psychic abilities that are often

896
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,119
reported if only temporary

897
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,359
martin would also note that both denise

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and ed stoner were honest grounded

899
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,880
hard-working individuals who are

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00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,119
considered by all who know them as

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00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,480
credible people of excellent character

902
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,760
what's more neither were seeking fame or

903
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,560
fortune as a result of their claims

904
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and conducted their side of the

905
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,800
investigation away from the public eye

906
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,040
until the publication of their accounts

907
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,829
for many ufo researchers the denise

908
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,320
stoner incidents are some of the most

909
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,880
detailed alleged alien abduction cases

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00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,400
on record

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00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,240
many of the details offered in their

912
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,119
accounts resonate nicely with others

913
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,200
that are on record in the research files

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00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,280
of multiple investigators and

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00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,960
researchers

916
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,280
perhaps not least that many alien

917
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,680
abductees are subjected to repeat

918
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,920
abductions throughout their lives

919
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,680
as well as the fact that immediate

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00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,680
family members of these abductees are

921
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,079
often also found to have been regularly

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abducted with some cases stretching

923
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,760
across generations

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00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,920
after examining the denise stoner

925
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:56,800
accounts what can we truly make of the

926
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,200
reasons why these abductions took place

927
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,359
it appears for example that a certain

928
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:06,079
amount of tracking and record keeping is

929
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,440
taking place

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hence the repeat abductions and

931
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,839
procedures that make stoner and other

932
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,079
abductees recognizable to the

933
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,440
intelligences behind the abductions

934
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,000
we also see a running pattern with those

935
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,560
abducted being part of some kind of mass

936
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,079
experimentation and monitoring operation

937
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,000
but to what ends

938
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,320
and if we are truly to ever come into

939
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:32,800
contact with these captors on a mass

940
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,680
scale might we finally know the reasons

941
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,400
they've done such traumatic things to

942
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,079
humans

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00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,720
but perhaps even more importantly if

944
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:44,800
they can control us in the ways

945
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,839
abductees claim what will stop them from

946
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,320
completely controlling us as an entire

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00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,920
species

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00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,160
the answers to these incredible

949
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,119
questions are unimaginable just as the

950
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,359
claims of denise stoner and many others

951
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,000
are unimaginable as well

952
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,880
and once again we find ourselves in the

953
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,520
midst of compelling stories

954
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,560
but very little compelling evidence save

955
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,280
the highly controversial act of hypnosis

956
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:15,359
having been conducted

957
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,640
inherently the most controversial aspect

958
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,440
of the abduction phenomenon overall

959
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,160
how do you even begin to study something

960
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,119
that refuses to rarely leave any

961
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,880
physical imprint

962
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,440
how do you conduct an investigation when

963
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,079
most of what is remembered was blacked

964
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,320
out of the memory of the claimed

965
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,599
abductee

966
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,000
and can we trust the memories that

967
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,720
supposedly come to the surface

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00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,359
these are the understandable inherent

969
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,240
arguments by skeptics of the phenomenon

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00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,720
and one of those skeptics was john e

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mack

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00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,599
harvard he was also a pulitzer

973
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prize-winning author

974
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,400
in 1994 he wrote a best-selling book

975
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,359
titled abduction human encounters with

976
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,880
aliens

977
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,119
after looking heavily into the abduction

978
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,359
phenomenon and interviewing those who

979
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,480
claimed such experiences across a wide

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00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,680
spectrum

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00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,720
he believed that most of them could not

982
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:21,920
be explained by mental illness sleep

983
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,599
paralysis seizures or dreams

984
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,000
and that these individuals firmly

985
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,640
believed these events happened to them

986
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,440
mack spent years trying to unravel the

987
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,400
mystery coming to the same frustrating

988
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,200
fact that perhaps the answers wouldn't

989
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,160
be revealed through psychiatry nor the

990
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,000
sciences in general

991
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,319
we're dealing with a phenomenon which

992
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,720
violates our sense of reality

993
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,440
and which operates in this gray area

994
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,680
between the physical world and the

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00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,400
subjective or mythic or other realm

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00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,599
world

997
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,000
we're being asked to

998
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,400
prove this by the methods of the

999
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:04,640
physical sciences alone but those

1000
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,480
methods in my view will not yield the

1001
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:11,920
this will not yield its secrets

1002
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,880
so here we are even up until today still

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00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:17,200
questioning if the alien abduction

1004
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,599
phenomenon is actually happening or not

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00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,640
especially for people like denise and ed

1006
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,000
stoner

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00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,560
either way the experiences of the

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00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,440
stoners have become a part of ufo

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history

1010
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,599
with the unfolding story continuing even

1011
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:37,680
up until today

1012
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,040
and perhaps one day denise stoner will

1013
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:44,079
find the answers to her questions

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00:42:05,570 --> 00:41:47,250
somewhere in the skies

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[Music]

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this episode was co-researched and

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written by marcus loth to learn more

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00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,790
special thanks to kathleen martin and

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denise stoner

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much of the material in the making of

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this episode was inspired by their book

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the alien abduction files the most

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startling cases of human alien contact

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ever reported

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also to our voiceover performers who

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contributed their time and talents to

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this episode to emily tuchman and jason

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00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,200
mcclellan my special thanks to you both

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00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:45,520
as well you can learn more about emily

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and jason at the links in our show notes

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